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Okay, welcome to Straight White American Jesus.

I'm Brad O'Nishi, Associate Professor at Skidmore College.

And I'm Dan Miller, Associate Professor of Religion and Social Thoughts at Landmark College.

And we're recording today as usual up here in Saratoga Springs, New York at Skidmore.

And today we're talking about the issues of race, racism, and religion. And we're going to talk to Dr.

Glenn Bracey, a little later on, Dr. Bracey's from Villanova University.

We'll have our interview with him in just a minute. But before I go there, you know, Dan, we're going to talk about a lot of sort of highly charged categories and things that are maybe not as familiar to many people.

So when we talk about race, when we talk about race when we talk about being

whiteness or these kind of categories what's going on? Yeah so we're gonna let

Glenn sort of carry the big workload here because there's a fantastic job on this but we did want to just sort of sort of set the ground a little bit.

And one of the themes that's going to come up, and people often bring this

is they'll say, well, race isn't real, right?

And in a certain sense that's true, There is no objective basis for racial identity.

Scientific theories of race have been widely discredited.

Notions of sort of cultural notions of race as if cultures are these kind of closed off entities that don't influence each other.

So there's a sense in which when people talk about race, there's nothing objective sort of out there in the world that's simply being named. But that doesn't

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