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Therapy and Theology

S1 E2 | Good Guilt vs. Destructive Shame

Therapy and Theology

Proverbs 31 Ministries

Christianity, Therapy, Health & Fitness, Religion & Spirituality, Theology, Mental Health

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 29 August 2022

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Chances are, we all have been plagued by one of the heaviest, silent battles one can fight: shame. The enemy wants us to believe this lie: We are isolated and stuck in carrying the weight of our sin and ultimately our own shame. But Jesus paved the way for us to live in freedom beyond the destructive weight and narrative that shame begs us to believe and live by.

In this episode of Therapy & Theology, Lysa TerKeurst dives deep into some of her own personal testimony and into conversation surrounding Good Guilt Vs. Destructive Shame” with her personal, licensed professional counselor, Jim Cress, as well as Proverbs 31 Ministries Director of Theological Research Dr. Joel Muddamalle.

 

By listening to this episode, you will …

  • Learn the distinct differences between shame, guilt, conviction and condemnation and be equipped with tools to combat the specific lies associated with each of them.
  • Overcome feeling disconnected and isolated, and learn how to utilize healthy guilt that actually leads to healthy connection with God and others.
  • Stop feeling alone in your shame struggle, and apply practical tools and scripts for life-giving conversations that birth compassion, empathy and vulnerability with others.


Friend, God already sees you. He is ready for you to turn to Him, even in the weight of the shame you may feel. We pray this episode blesses you!

A note from Proverbs 31 Ministries: This podcast contains content that might not be suitable for young children and may serve as a trigger due to circumstances in your past. Please see the links below if you need help finding a counselor.

Helpful Links: 

  • Want more wisdom as you navigate hard relationship dynamics? Find practical next steps, powerful scriptures and timely guidance on how to set realistic, healthy boundaries in Lysa TerKeurst's new book, Good Boundaries and Goodbyes. In the pages of this book, Lysa's personal counselor, Jim Cress, also provides therapeutic insight surrounding the topic of boundaries, helping you confidently apply what you read. Order the Proverbs 31-exclusive version here.
  • Ready to take a personal next step in finding a Christian counselor? The American Association of Christian Counselors is a great place to find the right fit for you and your circumstances.
  • Has the Therapy & Theology podcast helped you personally gain a fresh, biblical perspective for what you’re facing? Tell us about it by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. When you review and rate the podcast, it helps us reach even more people with biblical Truth and therapeutic wisdom.
  • Click here to view the transcript for this episode.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is Lisa Terkurs, and you're listening to Therapy and Theology, where we help you work through what you walk through.

0:15.0

Hi friends, we're so excited you joined us and pray God speaks to you through today's episode.

0:20.0

Before we hear from Lisa Terkurs, her counselor Jim Cress, and director of Theological Research at Proverbs 31 Ministries, Dr. Joel Mutamale,

0:29.0

here are a few quick reminders.

0:31.0

First, be sure you've subscribed to the Therapy and Theology Podcast on Apple Podcast or Spotify.

0:37.0

After you've subscribed, we'd be so grateful if you left a review.

0:41.0

Doing so helps expose even more people to the incredibly helpful content found in each episode of Therapy and Theology.

0:48.0

Next, Lisa Terkurs' newest book, Good Boundaries and Good Bies, will be available wherever books are sold in November of 2022.

0:55.0

Don't miss your chance to pre-order today and get access to bonus content only available before the book releases.

1:02.0

Visit p31booksdoor.com to pre-order your copy today.

1:06.0

Lastly, don't forget to check out the show notes for this episode at therapy and Theology Podcasts.com.

1:13.0

There, you can find more information and resources connected to today's episode.

1:17.0

Now, let's hear from Lisa, Jim, and Joel.

1:21.0

Hi, I'm Lisa Terkurs, and welcome to Therapy and Theology.

1:25.0

This is some of the most favorite time that I have recording these sessions with Therapy and Theology with two men that are very, very dear friends of mine.

1:37.0

Joel Mutamale, and we get to work together at Proverbs 31 Ministries. Tell us a little bit about what you do there.

1:43.0

Yeah, I get to serve as Director of Theology in research and bring oversight to our theological development, formation, and I really think that I have the best job in the entire world.

1:53.0

That's good, because if you left, I'm leaving with you, so I'm just going to go ahead and get that out of the way.

2:00.0

And then also my personal counselor, Jim Kress. Jim, tell us a little bit about you and what your passion is in counseling.

2:08.0

Yeah, I like to tell people that we have more help than they have problems.

2:12.0

And to just get into the narrative and the story of people's lives, as you've heard said before, and now you have in a book that we simply collect dots, connect dots, and hopefully correct the dots.

2:23.0

And just walk people through their pain, through some of the things like, is in Hebrews 12, that are hindering them from running the race and seeing some people set free.

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