I always feel like we're right on that razor's edge between, you know, kind of the demons

of our greed and aggression and the angels of our better nature, our ability to understand

our ability to see the future and act on it, our ability to see each other and act on

that empathetic connection.

You know, we have both of those things.

Hey everybody, Mary M. Williams in here and welcome to the podcast.

We have a very, very special guest today, director and explorer James Cameron.

I was pretty universally mocked and teased during my presidential campaign for tweets that

I had written back when the Avatar movie first came out in 2009.

I said that I thought that if Western civilization survives, it will be because enough people

have seen and understood the Avatar movies.

I said that if you really wanted to understand what's going on in America today, you would

watch the Avatar movie because it gives you the truth and the whole truth and nothing

but the truth and actually it's interesting because in preparing for my interview, watching

it several more times, if anything, I'm even more enthused and even more convinced of the

fundamental and powerful and relevant truth telling of Avatar.

The most sophisticated thinking there is and nobody doubts the sophistication of the

technological genius of Jim Cameron.

Remember what this man has accomplished?

He wrote and directed the Titanic and true lies and the abyss and terminator movies and

even co-wrote one of the Rambo movies.

We all know he's an extraordinary director and we also know because of Titanic, because

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