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The Ballad of Billy Balls

S1 [10] You May Not Be the Same Zac | The RFK Tapes

The Ballad of Billy Balls

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History, Society & Culture

4.49.4K Ratings

🗓️ 28 August 2018

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Zac goes back to Acidalia for one last interview with Bill.

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0:00.0

Check, check, check, check, check. I am, she picked up the rental car. It's a mini van, a red mini van.

0:14.2

So I'm traveling in style. I'm headed back up to Asadalia for a final interview with Bill Claber, my co-host.

0:26.0

I think he's a little upset with me. He's not, I don't think he's super excited about the way this series has been turning out and more specifically maybe our relationship has been turning out.

0:44.0

So yeah, I'm a little nervous about it, to be honest.

0:52.7

Bill and I have been working on this podcast for the past 18 months. When we started, I didn't know much about the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and Bill was my guide. And now I'm in the car, talking to myself.

1:06.0

I don't know, I mean it was all new to me, you know, it was a journey, it was all the sense of discovery and learning about the case.

1:16.0

Bill has been so generous with his time and his contacts and his research. You know, I was, I was believing this, I was believing this stuff.

1:32.0

You listen to Loanstein, you hear the evidence of the extra bullets and you listen to those tapes of Sir Han, the hypnotized and all that stuff. I mean, it's really difficult to buy the original story. And you can see that the LAPD is not being totally honest about the official story.

1:48.0

So I could absolutely understand how you look at this and come up with a conclusion that there was a conspiracy.

1:56.0

But right now I'm not willing to take that leap of faith to believe that the government conspired to kill Robert Kennedy. I don't believe it.

2:10.0

I mean, I feel like I'm driving to like a very religious person's house and I'm going to try to convince them that God doesn't exist.

2:26.0

I'm Zach Sturt Pontier. This is the RFK tapes, the final episode. Here I go. Jesus. The New York City is crazy, man. It's a crazy, why anyone wants to live?

2:42.0

The first time I started a question Bill's theory, we were researching a new development in the RFK case, a recently discovered audio recording of this shooting at the Ambassador Hotel.

3:12.0

Where are we going right now? We're going to someplace in Arizona where there's this guy who has taken an audio tape.

3:26.0

Bill and I went to Arizona to meet an audio engineer named Philip Van Prack, who spent a lot of time analyzing this tape.

3:34.0

He's taken this audio tape and then has applied new computer techniques to analyze sound and has apparently identified 13 shot sounds in this tape.

3:54.0

If that's true, if that's scientifically true, then it proves exactly the same thing that the door frames would have proved that they survived. That's two guns refiring.

4:08.0

We'll see if he can convince us.

4:14.0

Hello, Phil. How you doing? Good, how are you?

4:20.0

Good to get out of New York. Yeah, you can do it. All right. I like that.

4:27.0

Van Prack was just the nicest guy. He took us inside his house, made us some coffee, and then he brought us into his lab, a giant temperature-controlled warehouse.

4:38.0

This place is a museum. This is a museum of sound and audio and this is made in the studio.

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