Check, check, check, check, check. I am, she picked up the rental car. It's a mini van, a red mini van.

So I'm traveling in style. I'm headed back up to Asadalia for a final interview with Bill Claber, my co-host.

I think he's a little upset with me. He's not, I don't think he's super excited about the way this series has been turning out and more specifically maybe our relationship has been turning out.

So yeah, I'm a little nervous about it, to be honest.

Bill and I have been working on this podcast for the past 18 months. When we started, I didn't know much about the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and Bill was my guide. And now I'm in the car, talking to myself.

I don't know, I mean it was all new to me, you know, it was a journey, it was all the sense of discovery and learning about the case.

Bill has been so generous with his time and his contacts and his research. You know, I was, I was believing this, I was believing this stuff.

You listen to Loanstein, you hear the evidence of the extra bullets and you listen to those tapes of Sir Han, the hypnotized and all that stuff. I mean, it's really difficult to buy the original story. And you can see that the LAPD is not being totally honest about the official story.

So I could absolutely understand how you look at this and come up with a conclusion that there was a conspiracy.

But right now I'm not willing to take that leap of faith to believe that the government conspired to kill Robert Kennedy. I don't believe it.

I mean, I feel like I'm driving to like a very religious person's house and I'm going to try to convince them that God doesn't exist.

I'm Zach Sturt Pontier. This is the RFK tapes, the final episode. Here I go. Jesus. The New York City is crazy, man. It's a crazy, why anyone wants to live?

The first time I started a question Bill's theory, we were researching a new development in the RFK case, a recently discovered audio recording of this shooting at the Ambassador Hotel.

Where are we going right now? We're going to someplace in Arizona where there's this guy who has taken an audio tape.

Bill and I went to Arizona to meet an audio engineer named Philip Van Prack, who spent a lot of time analyzing this tape.

He's taken this audio tape and then has applied new computer techniques to analyze sound and has apparently identified 13 shot sounds in this tape.

If that's true, if that's scientifically true, then it proves exactly the same thing that the door frames would have proved that they survived. That's two guns refiring.

We'll see if he can convince us.

Hello, Phil. How you doing? Good, how are you?

Good to get out of New York. Yeah, you can do it. All right. I like that.

Van Prack was just the nicest guy. He took us inside his house, made us some coffee, and then he brought us into his lab, a giant temperature-controlled warehouse.

This place is a museum. This is a museum of sound and audio and this is made in the studio.

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