Hello, are you doing? I'm Craig Parkinson. You are listening to the two-shot podcast.

Sit yourself down, pop the kettle on. We're going to have a nice old chat.

Who's in with this week? I'm going to tell you right now.

Yes, it is those days, it's the two-shot podcast. Just before we crack on apologies, I'm recording this quite early in the morning.

He's still having a lion, but I tell you, he's not having a lion. It's the workman who are hard at it near my house.

So if there's any noise in the centre, then it's just the workman doing the job.

Now, before we get into this week's episode, it's a fantastic episode, by the way, with Shema Sorily, and we'll get into that in a second.

I need to scroll back a few days to Sunday.

Now, if you're in the UK, you'll be well aware of the observer newspaper on a Sunday.

And I picked up the Sunday papers quite late on Sunday, because I was working.

And I'm flicking through the observer and the other feature about independent podcasts.

And a big shout out to journalist Miranda Sawyer, who compiled a list of what she thinks is 20 of the best independent podcast.

And the two-shot podcast was in that 20. I'm always so thrilled.

And actually, you know what, quite moved after all these years that were still getting recognised by journalists, such as Miranda.

So a massive shout out to Miranda and a shout out to the observer for including the two-shot podcast in that list.

And if you haven't looked at that list, then do because there is a fair few that I love on there.

So do check out, we put it on the full list, we put on the socials.

So dive in to one of those 20 and support independent podcasting.

Speaking of the observer, every week, show us a Riley writer column about his son and him and being a dad.

And it's always very funny, even this week before we do touch on in this episode.

His family got quite ill and it sounded horrendous, but as he always does, he put his spin on it.

And it's very, very funny. And I've been a fan of his column for a fair few years and his social media is always at the light.

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