Okay, this is so exciting. We're so excited. You know, we've done this sports

romance episode a number of times twice, right?

Before, before a gen. Yes.

So we've had a lot to say about, you know, sports and balls and sports and

sports and sports balls.

But this time we're going to do it right because we asked Jessica Luther,

sports expert, investigative journalist, author,

podcaster, who has worked extensively

on the intersection of sports and gender and also specifically

gendered violence and fun fact is a big romance reader and I know Jessica from long before her book on sports

men like conduct and loving sports because you have been a historical romance reader and we met that way.

So welcome Jessica Luther.

Thank you so much.

I'm so thrilled.

I was so thrilled to be here thank you we are so excited because you are also you

have had you are no longer doing burn it down right yeah I did burn it all down which was a

feminist sports podcast with four of my friends.

It was five women co-hosting, and we did that for about five and a half years.

We went on hiatus a year ago and we're still technically on hiatus. There's some behind

the scenes things happening but the podcast ended about a year ago but there's a lot of good

stuff in that back catalog. I think we did a lot of good sports stuff there. And also I mentioned that you're a writer but your second book

which is loving sports when they don't love you back. Dilemas of the

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