S05 Ep07: Who is This Bad Soul?

Nobody Should Believe Me

True Story Media

True Crime, Personal Journals, Society & Culture

4.3 • 2.3K Ratings

🗓️ 13 February 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

We examine perhaps the most important piece of the complex puzzle of the Hartman case: what Sophie wrote about it in her journals. We’re joined by Dr. James Hamilton, an MBP expert with a PhD in clinical psychology, to walk us through some of Sophie’s most chilling journal entries collected in the case files. We also look at Sophie’s disturbing internet search history during the time of C’s alleged Central precocious puberty (CPP) diagnosis. After being separated from Sophie, M and C are placed with Sophie’s mom and sister. Detective Lee discusses the problems that arise when placing children with people that are most likely going to side with the perpetrator. In April of 2022, C and M are returned to Sophie and criminal charges are subsequently dropped. Andrea offers a key insight into how this might have happened by revealing a surprising member of Sophie’s legal team: her sister, Megan Carter. *** Links and Resources: Dr. James Hamilton: https://www.munchausensupport.com/who-we-are/ Check out Olivia LaVoice’s podcast, The Bakersfield Three: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-the-bakersfield-three-128074552/ Learn more about our featured non-profit and mutual aid organizations: https://www.nobodyshouldbelieveme.com/nsbm-supports/ Check out You Probably Think This Story's About You: https://brittaniard.com/podcast Click here to view our sponsors. Remember that using our codes helps advertisers know you’re listening and helps us keep making the show! Subscribe on YouTube where we have full episodes and lots of bonus content. Follow Andrea on Instagram for behind-the-scenes photos: @andreadunlop Buy Andrea's books here. To support the show, go to Patreon.com/NobodyShouldBelieveMe or subscribe on Apple Podcasts where you can get all episodes early and ad-free and access exclusive ethical true crime bonus content. For more information and resources on Munchausen by Proxy, please visit MunchausenSupport.com The American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children’s MBP Practice Guidelines can be downloaded here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	True Story Media
0:05.4	Before we begin, a quick warning that in this show, we discuss child abuse, and this content may be difficult for some listeners.
0:14.7	If you or anyone you know is a victim or survivor of medical child abuse, please go to Munchausen Support.com to connect with professionals
0:21.6	who can help.
0:24.9	As medical child abuse cases play out in court, they often become fixated on a certain detail.
0:30.9	For example, in my sister's case, one of the damning pieces of evidence was video surveillance
0:35.9	of her dumping her daughter's anticoagulant
0:38.4	medication onto her hospital bedsheets. This was an event that preceded the child being admitted
0:44.0	to the pediatric ICU with a life-threatening blood clot. This was not the only piece of evidence,
0:50.5	not by a long shot. There were 73,000 pages of medical records subpoenaed in this case,
0:56.0	which were reviewed by a child abuse pediatrician who found extensive evidence of abuse.
1:00.3	And much like Sophie Hartman's daughter, after being separated from my sister and observed by the
1:04.6	hospital, my niece's health improved drastically in a short period of time.
1:09.5	But from the documentation I've seen, her lawyer Adam Shapiro seems to have somehow really
1:13.6	honed in on this video evidence, arguing that Megan was actually using one type of syringe,
1:19.6	rather than a different type of syringe that the hospital said she was using,
1:23.6	and therefore the hospital staff and police officers didn't see in that video what they thought they saw.
1:29.3	If this all sounds like it doesn't make much sense, it doesn't.
1:33.3	No criminal charges were ever filed against my sister.
1:36.3	Following the family court's return of her children during the active police investigation,
1:40.3	detectives ultimately referred the case to the prosecuting attorney in April of 2020,
1:45.1	and that prosecuting attorney declined to file charges.
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