S05 Ep05: The Breaking Point

Nobody Should Believe Me

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True Crime, Personal Journals, Society & Culture

4.3 • 2.3K Ratings

🗓️ 30 January 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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In 2020, the Hartmans grow even more isolated as Covid hits: Sophie pulls C out of school citing worsening health and breaks with the church community who’ve been supporting her and her daughters. Concerns for abuse grow as Sophie begins to push a new narrative that C has central precocious puberty (CPP), a condition that causes the body to go through puberty prematurely, After making an initial DCF report in 2019 and tracking Sophie’s demands for increasingly invasive procedures: Seattle Children’s Child Abuse Team files an official report to the Department of Children, Youth, and Families. Her daughters are subsequently placed in protective custody and Sophie is charged with assault of a child in the second degree. We hear from the Seattle reporter who broke the story, Olivia LaVoice and dig into the extensive documentation from the investigation with Detective Michael Lee, a major crimes detective in Texas and co-founder of the National Crimes Against Children Investigators Association.. Andrea also talks with Dr. Mary Zupanc, a pediatric neurologist and epilepsy specialist with over 30 years of clinical and research experience with AHC. She gives listeners a better understanding of AHC by describing the history of the disorder, the various symptoms, common environmental triggers, and how clinical diagnoses of AHC are made. *** Links and Resources: More about Dr. Mary Zupanc: https://www.childneurologysociety.org/awards/mary-l-zupanc-md/ Check out Olivia LaVoice’s podcast, The Bakersfield Three: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-the-bakersfield-three-128074552/ Chad Goller-Sojourner’s Sitting in Circles with Rich White Girls: Memoir of a Bulimic Black Boy will be adding show dates in spring 2025. Click HERE for more information. Preorder Andrea and Mike’s new book The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy Catch Andrea and Mike at their Seattle Book Launch Event: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/andrea-dunlop-and-mike-weber-the-mother-next-door-tickets-1097661478029 Learn more about our featured non-profit and mutual aid organizations: https://www.nobodyshouldbelieveme.com/nsbm-supports/ Check out You Probably Think This Story's About You: https://brittaniard.com/podcast Click here to view our sponsors. Remember that using our codes helps advertisers know you’re listening and helps us keep making the show! Subscribe on YouTube where we have full episodes and lots of bonus content. Follow Andrea on Instagram for behind-the-scenes photos: @andreadunlop Buy Andrea's books here. To support the show, go to Patreon.com/NobodyShouldBelieveMe or subscribe on Apple Podcasts where you can get all episodes early and ad-free and access exclusive ethical true crime bonus content. For more information and resources on Munchausen by Proxy, please visit MunchausenSupport.com The American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children’s MBP Practice Guidelines can be downloaded here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	True Story Media. Before we begin, a quick warning that in this show, we discuss child abuse,
0:11.4	and this content may be difficult for some listeners. If you or anyone you know is a victim or survivor of medical child abuse,
0:18.1	please go to Munchausen Support.com to connect with professionals who can help.
0:23.3	As 2019 comes to a close, M, now 10 years old, is keeping up with her intensive gymnastics program,
0:31.1	all while Sophie is taking C back and forth between Seattle Children's and Duke Medical Center in
0:36.2	North Carolina, and her condition, according to this note in Sophie's phone, is dire.
0:41.7	Quote,
0:42.1	This AHC and severe gastroporesis and autonomic dysfunction and intestinal dismobility
0:48.6	is actually from the darkest pit in hell.
0:51.8	But our citizenship is in heaven.
0:57.5	So we rejoice knowing this won't be her forever. Then the pandemic hits. Mysterious pneumonia outbreak in Wuhan, China. A new type of
1:05.4	coronavirus. Their fears are rapidly spreading virus has reached Australia. This is a rapidly
1:09.7	emerging situation. The first US case has been detected. A number of affected countries has tripled.
1:16.6	The World Health Organization has just declared that this is a pandemic.
1:20.6	In September of 2020, C is six years old, and like children everywhere during the pandemic,
1:26.6	switches to virtual learning
1:28.6	when the school locks down. A month into that school year, in October of 2020, Sophie writes a
1:35.0	letter to C's school, which has a robust program for special needs students, explaining C's
1:40.5	worsening condition. She writes, some new neurological, visual, and also endocrine issues
1:46.5	have come up in the last few months
1:48.6	and there is worry among the team at Seattle Children's
1:51.8	for a brain mass.
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