S03 E13: What Now?

Nobody Should Believe Me

True Story Media

Personal Journals, Society & Culture, True Crime

4.2 • 3.3K Ratings

🗓️ 14 December 2023

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Just when we thought the endless saga of Kowalski v Johns Hopkins All Childrens was over...it turns out it might only be beginning. In this episode, lead attorney for the Johns Hopkins All Childrens defense team, Ethen Shapiro, offers an insider's perspective on what happened in during the trial and what’s happened in the wake of it. Tina and Andrea discuss newly introduced evidence including Beata's requests to increase medications despite risks, Dr. Kirkpatrick's questionable diagnostic process, and communications illuminating Beata's substantial role in daughter Maya's care. Shapiro unpacks how harmful the verdict is for healthcare providers now unsure about reporting potential abuse and explains why the media coverage of this case and others like it is asymmetrical warfare. We discuss the motion for a new trial based on juror misconduct, what happens next, and what it all means. *** Read Beata's emails and view Ethen Shapiro's slide deck laying out the case: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1FpSFjvX_8WB5cgPCI0E_cpXj1jaeVcC4?usp=sharing Watch Ethen Shapiro's closing arguments on Law & Crime's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HBYKAN3BxM Munchausen Support accepts donations and volunteers at www.munchausensupport.com If you have a story about medical child abuse that you are ready to share you can tag @andreadunlop, email hello@nobodyshouldbelieveme.com or leave us a voicemail at (484) 768-0266 *** Click here to view our sponsors. Remember that using our codes helps advertisers know you’re listening and helps us keep making the show! *** Follow host Andrea Dunlop on Instagram for behind-the-scenes photos: @andreadunlop Buy Andrea’s books here. Download the APSAC's practice guidelines here. Note: This episode contains sensitive content related to child abuse. Listener discretion is advised. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	True Story Media.
0:07.2	Hi, it's Andrea. Before we get into today's episode, I want to address some comments about
0:12.8	episode six of this season. In that episode, I recommend a podcast called The Witch Trials
0:18.8	of J.K. Rowling. So just for clarity, I recommended this show
0:24.7	in the context of the Kowalski trial and talking to people you disagree with. I am in full
0:30.5	agreement that J.K. Rowling is a problematic person, and I absolutely disagree with her beliefs
0:36.0	about trans issues in that community 100%.
0:39.3	Additionally, our guest in that episode was Laura Richards, who I've also heard from a number of folks
0:45.4	after that episode aired that she's said some things about the transgender community that I deeply
0:51.5	disagree with, so I wanted to let that be known. So just to clarify,
0:56.2	I absolutely believe that trans people deserve human rights. I believe trans women are women.
1:01.4	End of story. So without further delay, here's our episode. Nobody Should Believe Me is a production
1:06.9	of large media. That's L-A-R-J media. Before we begin, a quick warning that in this show,
1:13.3	we discuss child abuse and this content may be difficult for some listeners. I'm Andrea Dunlop,
1:18.8	and this is nobody should believe me. If you'd like to support this show, you can join us on
1:23.5	Patreon or subscribe on Apple Podcasts. You'll get all episodes early and ad-free, as well as lots
1:29.6	of exclusive bonus content. If monetary support is not an option, rating and reviewing the show
1:34.7	helps a ton, as well as sharing on social media or wherever you talk to people. If you or someone
1:39.9	you know is suffering for medical child abuse, please go to munchausen support.com. We have lots of resources
1:45.4	there for survivors, families, and professionals. We also accept donations if you would like to
1:50.1	help us continue to do that work. And we love hearing from you. So do reach out. Our email is
1:55.7	hello at nobody should believe me.com or you can leave us a voicemail at 484-798-0-266. And we may use that voicemail in the show,
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