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The Retrievals

S01 Episode 5: The Outcomes

The Retrievals

Serial Productions and The New York Times

Yale Fertility, Yale, Society & Culture, Serial, Society And Culture, News, New York Times, True Crime

4.610.2K Ratings

🗓️ 3 August 2023

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

In fertility treatment, a successful outcome is defined as a healthy baby. In this story, the outcomes are complicated for everyone involved.

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0:00.0

The women get pregnant. Some of them see it begin. They see it begin at the clinic, in the same place where they had their retrieval.

0:12.0

On the ultrasound screen they watch, as the embryos placed in their uterus. Some of the pregnancy stick.

0:19.0

Eishas is one of them.

0:26.6

The single embryo she implants divides in two, and she finds herself carrying twins.

0:35.2

They're born in the spring, eight weeks early, and after Isha delivers, she goes back to her OB for her own follow-up.

0:41.6

After I delivered, I went in for my six-week post-tartum visit to meet with my doctor. And it somehow came up in conversation that I, you know, was part of

0:49.5

this suit that was going on. And she looked at me and she said, well, what's the big deal? I mean,

0:57.5

you ended up pregnant. And she's not the first provider that said that to me. I'm actually in the

1:04.3

process of switching psychiatrists because I had a similar experience with her recently where she

1:10.2

kind of said, you know, I really

1:11.9

don't get what the big deal is. You were successful. You got pregnant. What's the problem?

1:18.4

Wow. I, wow. I mean, yeah, I mean, like, just what a thing to say, as if the only thing that matters is that single outcome and not the entire process.

1:35.5

I mean, yeah.

1:38.0

Outcomes of fertility treatment are typically measured by the numbers.

1:42.3

The CDC collects data.

1:46.0

You can go online and look up a clinic and find out what percentage of egg retrievals result in live births.

1:51.0

But the outcomes here can't be expressed by existing options on a drop-down menu.

1:56.0

Some of these outcomes are not concrete.

1:59.0

And just like the initial experience of pain, some of the outcomes are questioned.

2:04.6

Really, what are their damages?

2:06.6

One fertility doctor, someone not from Yale, said to me about the patients in the lawsuit.

2:12.6

What are the harms done? What are the redressable harms? One of the patients' own lawyers told me that when his firm got the first call from a patient,

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