Hello, welcome to Theology Podcast. We're really glad to have you here for this special episode.

We've got a guest, and we're going to let him introduce himself in a minute. But just give you a little bit of background on who the hosts are in case is your first time tuning in.

I'm C.R. Wiley. I'm a pastor. I serve a church in the Pacific Northwest. I've written a number of books. My most recent book is entitled, in the House of Tom Bombadil. I'm working on another book,

just wrapping up, entitled St. Anthony's Guide to Surviving the AI Apocalypse.

Just a low bar of, like, in terms of what I'm striving for there.

Anyway, by the way, just another piece of background in case folks didn't know and it's

relevant to the show, I come from a family of artists and academics, and I've actually

illustrated some books and done some things in the art scene.

And I wanted to be a comic book artist when I was a kid. That was my big dream.

Anyway, you'll see why that's relevant in the minute.

Okay, Tom.

I'm Tom Price. I do not draw that well. Neither do I paint well.

But I do play the guitar, did my undergraduate in classical and jazz

guitar, actually. And I also teach theology, Christian ethics, and philosophy. One of the places is

Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary. Okay, Glenn, tell us about bagpipes. Yes, I'm Glenn Sunshine.

We're on a steady decline in artistic ability here.

I am a historian specializing in Renaissance and Reformation Europe, now retired from Central

Connecticut State University. I am a ministry associate at Reflections Ministries, sort of.

Senior fellow, it's Colson's inner Christian worldview.

I've got my own ministry, every square inch ministries.

I play a variety of instruments at an amateur level, almost all of which involve wind,

and that includes a 16th century German bagpipe. In terms of visual arts, my godfather

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