Welcome to the weekend edition of the Daily Dad podcast. I actually met Paul Kicks when he was

writing at ESPN, where he was an editor for many, many years. He edited a past guest,

uh, Wright Thompson, among many others. But Paul got introduced to Stoicism partly through my work.

And he wrote this really cool profile of me for ESPN, which I was

quite honored to be featured in. And his piece in GQ, the accidental getaway driver, was

turned into a movie. He knows what he's doing. He's a great writer, a great dude. And I think

you're really going to like this interview. I would like to wake up before my kids, if they wake up so early, it's not really my call. And if I start things before they wake up, then it's sort of like, I kind of hope to get lucky. But I kind of feel like, I feel like spending time with your kids in the morning. That's not like, that's not using up the freshness energy. Oh, no. Do you know what I mean? Like, although like Tony Morrison's thing, which I love, she would, she said she had to get up and make contact with the muses while the sun rose. She like wanted to be writing as she watched the sunrise. And then she said she had to get her writing done before

she heard the word mom, which I definitely relate to and understand. But I've found that hearing that

word, it doesn't, it doesn't deplete me in the way that a conference call depletes me or Twitter

depletes me or my inbox depletes me.

So, you know, the energy today of breakfast and then driving them to summer camp and then

getting to the office or even run, I ran in between because I wasn't going to get to do it

later in the afternoon. Like that, none of that started the clock.

You know, the clock started when I got to the office and then got the shit done.

Today I only have like 30 minutes, but that 30 minutes was enough if you're fresh for it.

And you have to do it.

Like, we're on vacation, right?

And I'm writing a couple of pieces that are, one that, it sounds terrible to say I'm

working on my vacation, but at the same time, it's like, no, this isn't actually work. Like,

this is the thing that I feel almost called to do. So I have to do it every single day. Otherwise,

I don't, Davis-Daris once said that when the days that he doesn't write are the

days that he feels absolutely miserable. And I'm the same way. Yeah, there's a compulsion element to it, which is probably both not healthy and also. Oh, completely not healthy. Yeah. No, but I found the same way. Like, we were just on vacation and then we're going on like this other trip in about a week or so. And like as long as

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