Hey, it's Ryan Holiday. Welcome to another weekend episode of the Daily Dad podcast. In today's

episode, I am interviewing my friend, someone I am a big fan of, the one and only Matthew McConaughey,

Academy Award winning actor, entrepreneur, activist, and a father. Matthew was actually kind

enough to blurb the Daily Dad book. He's there on the cover.

So we've talked about a lot of this parenting stuff before. The whole thing ran over on Daily

Stoic. You can check that out on YouTube as well. In this excerpt, we're talking about parenting

stuff, which we spent a chunk of the interview talking about some lessons he's learned raising his kids.

And I'm excited to share that with you in today's episode.

My favorite thing he and I riffed on this idea that I've talked about here, this idea that we are the toy, right?

That as much as our kids like playing with their toys, they also like

playing with us and playing with their toys. I tell this story about my son sort of bossing me

around, making me get stuff, and I realized, oh, he's entertaining himself by working me like a

puppet on a string. Anyways, great interview. You can check out Matthew's course, which is super popular.

I went through it myself.

We talked a lot about it in the longer interview.

You can grab that at art of livingevent.com or just Google Matthew McConaughey road

trip the highway to more.

I'll link to it in today's show notes.

But here's Matthew McConaughey

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