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Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening. It's always great when I'm able to have somebody on the show

who's not just somebody whose work I dig,

but somebody who's a friend.

And over the past few years, Ryan Holliday and I have become friends in that very sort of 2016 way of...

But actually we've spent real time in person, Ryan,

which is different, I think yeah well I didn't know if I was

going to make it today because it's crazy flooding in Texas and so they have this big

thing in Texas where it says like turn around don't drown so if there's flash flooding and you're

on your way to the airport just to turn around but I didn't turn around I made it.

You proceeded.

I kept doing it.

In fact I saw on Twitter when you said you were you were taking off or something and I thought like how

how is for I'm gonna get here by six o'clock but you did somehow you got here on time and so

Ryan thanks for being here man. Yeah, I'm excited.

You are, I guess you first came to fame

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