From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the treatment. I'm Elvis Mitchell. It's always good to have old friends, especially old friends who've never done the show before.

And I met one of

these guys, the Sundance Film Festival in 2001, Mr. Ryan Gosling. Hey, Ryan, how are you? I'm good,

how are you? I'm good, thanks. Thanks for having me on, finally. Oh, finally? Finally. Oh, my God,

thanks for dodging me for so long. They can make me beg you. I didn't want to let you down, man. Yeah, and the scant 15 years later, we finally make this thing happen.

And the other guest who's been here before but has scant memory of us is our old friend

Damien Chazelle.

They're here for the movie La Lala Land.

First of all, guys, Damien, thanks for coming back.

No, thank you.

Thanks for having it. It's interesting because one of the things I want to bring up to both of you is a movie we talked about when I saw you very recently, Damien, which is the Tom Hanks film, That Thing You Do, but also New York, New York, which I think kind of informs this movie La Lala and as much as some of the other films we've been hearing about, don't they? Yeah, I mean, New York, New York, I think, was, I remember when I saw that, you know,

it seemed to me like there's this juxtaposition going on in that, you know, between the old

MGM musicals and kind of messy real life.

Yeah, it's a 70s movie that stays like an old school MGM musical.

Yeah, but it's still a 70s movie, right? Yeah, it's still, it's still like,

it's still what you think of as a Scorsese 70s movie. And so there's this incredible tension you get

from that. So I think, I don't know, that that was the kind of musical that really interested me,

that, you know, the Jacques Demy musicals, which have their own way of mashing real life with MGM tradition. So I think that was kind of what sort of, you know,

a little bit of the sort of tension we were looking for here as well,

just from a different angle.

Yeah, more the reference that we really use was singing in the rain, I think.

...