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Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso

Ryan Coogler Made the Movie of the Year. Now He’s Making Oscars History.

Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso

Higher Ground

Tv & Film, Film Interviews, Society & Culture

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 1 March 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

When it comes to the theatrical experience, director Ryan Coogler is in rarified air these days. From Creed to Black Panther to Wakanda Forever, his movies arrive as seismic commercial and cultural events. His latest, Sinners, was no exception when it came out in IMAX last spring. And with 16 Oscar nominations, Coogler’s blues-steeped vampire epic has now become the most-nominated film in Academy history.

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Together, we trace how the seeds of Sinners were planted during the making of Wakanda Forever (5:36), the family history interwoven throughout the movie (9:00), and a formative memory seeing John Singleton’s Boyz n the Hood with his father (15:20). Then, we talk about his pivot from football to filmmaking (17:30), the early belief and partnership of his wife, Zinzi (22:00), and why his debut Fruitvale Station stands the test of time (26:07).

On the back-half, Coogler reflects on a piece of advice that shaped how he leads a set (31:18), the “Faustian bargain” he confronted as an artist (34:00), and the uncle whose encouragement carried him through moments of doubt (35:50). To close, a tribute to the late Chadwick Boseman (37:30), Coogler’s thoughts on AI and the future of Hollywood (42:00), and a love letter to moviegoing (48:36).

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This is Talk Easy. I'm Stan Forgo, so welcome to the show.

0:19.5

Welcome to the show.

0:35.4

Today, writer-director, Ryan Cougler.

0:39.3

When it comes to the theatrical experience, Coogler is in rarefied airs these days. His movies, like Christopher Nolens or Quentin Tarantino's, arrive as both

0:45.8

commercial and cultural events. Creed, Black Panther, and its sequel, Wiconda Forever, all broke through

0:52.1

at the box office and beyond. And yet, despite a decade of

0:56.2

almost unparalleled success, when Kugler stopped and took stock of his output in 2022,

1:02.4

he had felt audiences still didn't quite understand him as a filmmaker. It was actually

1:07.5

a point of sadness, he said in one interview. I've been making movies for 10 years, and people still didn't really know me.

1:14.9

And so it's from that gap that Sinners was born.

1:18.4

The film follows two identical twins and World War I veterans, both played by Michael B. Jordan,

1:23.9

as they returned to Mississippi to outrun their troubled past,

1:27.5

only to discover an even greater evil waiting to welcome them home.

1:32.1

Here's a clip from the trailer.

1:36.5

We've been gone a long time.

1:39.2

We back now.

1:43.7

You twins?

1:45.4

Nah, we cousins.

1:47.9

There are legends of people with the gift of making music so true.

1:53.7

It can conjure spirits from the past and the future.

1:59.0

This gift can bring fame and fortune.

2:01.6

Well, somebody take me in your eye.

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