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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to what I like to call hour two.

It's just a crazy habit that I have developed over the years.

It follows hour one and I call it hour two.

I continue my conversation with the two,

a gentleman behind the exorcist files.

It's a podcast and you can find it at exorcistfiles.tv.

Exorcistfiles.tv, Ryan Bethea and Father Carlos Martins.

Father Martins, you're talking about this as though it's real

because we all know it is real.

But you were just finished describing what I see as the horror of the

secularization of much of the modern church.

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