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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to what I'd like to call hour two. It's just a crazy habit that I have

developed over the years. It follows hour one, and I call it hour two. I continue my conversation

with the two gentlemen behind

the Exorcist Files. It's a podcast and you can find it at ExorcistFiles.TV.

Exorcistfiles.com. T.V. Ryan Bithay and Father Carlos Martins, you're talking about this as though it's real because we all

know it is real. But you were just finished describing what I see as the horror of the

secularization of much of the modern church, which is really putting it nicely. It is itself evil to shrink

from the biblical reality that we're talking about here. Jesus cast out devils. He didn't just say,

you know, take a little, well, Butrin, and I think you'll be good.

There are cases when people, of course, need some medication, when they need therapy, when they need this, when they need that.

But to ignore this would be like saying, you know, everybody who comes to this hospital who's sick will treat them.

There's just one thing.

We don't believe cancer exists.

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