Ruud Koopmans on Immigration and Integration in Europe
The Good Fight
Yascha Mounk
4.7 • 963 Ratings
🗓️ 3 February 2026
⏱️ 74 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | So we have an extremely selective regime that helps many people who don't need it, |
| 0:06.8 | that among those who do need help privileges those who are healthy, young, |
| 0:13.3 | and relatively speaking wealthy, and who leaves many other people alone. |
| 0:18.0 | And now the Good Fight with Yasha Monk. How has migration changed the United States and how has it changed Western Europe? |
| 0:32.2 | Why is it that immigrant groups to the United States still seem to integrate a lot better than they do in Western Europe. |
| 0:40.3 | What is the best predictor as to whether an immigrant will succeed in integrating into their host society? |
| 0:47.3 | Is it the level of qualification they bring with them? |
| 0:51.3 | Is it the structure of the labor market and the welfare state in the |
| 0:55.9 | country to which they arrive? Or is it something to do with the culture of the place in which |
| 1:02.3 | they were raised? And finally, how should we think about the current system of asylum? Is it a moral state of affairs that should be defended or is it actually in many ways |
| 1:16.2 | unjust a lottery which doesn't always reward those who are most and needs? |
| 1:21.7 | To talk about all these subjects I have invited one of the leading scholars of migration in Europe and around the world. |
| 1:31.3 | Rude Copland is a professor at Humboldt University in Berlin |
| 1:36.3 | and he also is the director of a research unit on migration and integration |
| 1:42.3 | at the Berlin Social Science Center, the VZB. |
| 1:48.2 | In this conversation, we also talk about how to respond to all of those things. |
| 1:54.0 | How do we reform the asylum system to make it more just? |
| 1:58.8 | Can moderate European parties hear the concerns of the voters in such a way |
| 2:05.2 | that they remain in charge? Or is the only way the change is going to come to Europe from |
| 2:12.4 | right-wing populist parties like reform in the UK, Marine Dep Pen's party in France or even the AFD in Germany. |
| 2:22.3 | To listen to that part of the conversation to support this podcast |
| 2:25.4 | to allow us to bring two of these interesting conversations to you every week |
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