And I give you an advice.

What?

Never seen football's coming home.

The moment you start seeing this thing, you jinx it.

As a black person, you can, in sports, you can do a lot.

You can participate, but you cannot decide.

A thing that was against me as a manager was the fact that I am to happen.

There were two things that was important for me.

Hoddle came to my house.

This is up front with me, Simon Jordan.

I believe there are a lot of vacuous, uninformed, unchallenged opinions out there.

I want to get to the bottom line and cut through the nonsense.

So with this podcast with William Hill,

I'm going to get people with strong views who think they can stand them up to proper scrutiny.

There's a good chance I might learn something along the way,

and more importantly, so might you.

Joining me in today's episode, a Dutch icon from the Total Football era, his accolades stretch

across the domestic and international game, winning the Euros, multiple titles in Holland and Italy,

two European Cups, whilst achieving the

ultimate individual honour, the Ballondeur. Initial success in management following lifting

the FA Cup with Chelsea before an infamous Joldi fallout. Rude Hullet, welcome to what fun?

No, no fallout, just to resign. We'll get to that, Mr. Hullet. I just say it to you, know, it's not a fallout. Just, you know, just resigned. We'll get to that, Mr. Hood.

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