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The Tikvah Podcast

Ruth Wisse and Moshe Halbertal - Jews and Power

The Tikvah Podcast

Tikvah

Judaism, Politics, Religion & Spirituality, News

4.6620 Ratings

🗓️ 28 July 2014

⏱️ 123 minutes

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Summary

What is the proper relationship between Jews and political power? To what extent should Jews eschew worldly power for the sake of piety? How Machiavellian can Jews allow themselves to be? Two of the Jewish world's most esteemed intellectuals, Ruth Wisse and Moshe Halbertal, examined these questions for participants in the Tikvah Fund's Summer Fellowship and Advanced Institutes. Wisse, an American expert on Yiddish literature generally associated with the right, and Halbertal, an Israeli expert in Jewish philosophy and ethics generally associated with the left, engaged in a discussion marked by passion, wit, nerve, and collegiality. About halfway through the panel, the moderator, Allan Arkush, opened the floor to audience questions on everything from the possibility of anti-Semitism in America to the Israeli Defense Forces' Code of Ethics. 

 

Recording took place on July 28, 2014.

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0:00.0

I'm not sure that Professor Weiss will bring to bear the insights she can from Jewish literature

0:08.0

in our discussion today, but I've learned an immense amount from reading her on Jewish authors

0:15.0

of many generations and many countries and many languages, and certainly many of the things

0:21.4

that she has discussed in her scholarly work pertained directly to our subject today.

0:27.1

Professor Halbertoll, who has been teaching at the Hebrew University for as long as I can

0:32.7

remember, has also written abundantly on medieval and modern Jewish thinkers, in addition to his extensive

0:39.6

work in connection with Israel's military code of ethics, which will probably enter directly

0:46.3

into our subject today.

0:50.2

Our plan is not a very carefully formulated one. We're not staging a debate here.

0:56.0

We will not be allotting time and equal allotments to each of our participants.

1:03.0

We want to discuss these matters, but we do want to consider the question of Jews and power,

1:10.0

at least initially,, primarily from the vantage

1:13.6

point of the excellent book that Ruth Weiss wrote some eight years ago on this subject.

1:19.6

With the faith of our ancestors and their own conviction that the ways in which they exercised power were inextricably bound up with

1:31.7

their faith. And that's something that Ruth illustrates pretty clearly at the very beginning

1:37.6

of this book, where she describes the shared mentality of Jews in the pre-modern era and describes them as

1:47.0

people who knew that God would be the guarantor of Jewish power as long as Jews obeyed his laws.

1:58.0

If they didn't assimilate in the aftermath of the destruction of their kingdom and antiquity,

2:03.6

it was because they were sustained by the belief that God had not abandoned them,

2:08.6

and God still had expectations from them.

2:11.6

The prophets taught, in her words, that the political fate of the Jews depended on their ability to convince

2:18.3

not their rivals of their military prowess, but God of their uprightness.

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