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The Shift with Sam Baker

Ruth Ozeki on why menopause is the new adolescence

The Shift with Sam Baker

Sam Baker Ltd

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.8525 Ratings

🗓️ 9 November 2021

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

My guest this week is a novelist, film-maker - and Zen Buddhist priest. Ruth Ozeki was born in Conneticut in the 1950s to a Japanese mother and, as she puts it, caucasian anthropologist father. Despite always wanting to write, she didn’t publish her first novel until she was 40, because, in part, she “didn’t feel entitled to”. She needn’t have worried. That novel, My Year Of Meats, won the Kiriyama Prize and the American Book Award, and her third A Tale For The Time Being, was shortlisted for the Man Booker prize in 2013. Her latest novel, The Book Of Form And Emptiness, looks destined to go the same way. But buddhism has informed Ruth’s life just as much as - if not more than - writing. She joined me to run the conversational gamut! We talked meditation, ageing, grief, living through the death of our parents, writing out her teenage mental health crises, why objects mean so much to us, the appeal of Marie Kondo, coming to terms with our ageing face and why menopause and adolescence have so much in common. • You can buy all the books mentioned in this podcast at Bookshop.org, including The Book Of Form And Emptiness by Ruth Ozeki and the book that inspired this podcast, The Shift: how I lost and found myself after 40 - and you can too, by me! • The Shift (on life after 40) with Sam Baker is created and hosted by Sam Baker and edited by Emily Sandford. If you enjoyed this podcast, please rate/review/follow as it really does help other people find us. And let me know what you think on twitter @sambaker or instagram @theothersambaker. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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I've always wanted to be mom.

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And we're bringing you on our journey through everything.

0:12.4

I have no idea what we're doing.

0:13.6

Thank you. I have more of an idea.

0:15.6

I think of it like a Tamagocchi.

0:17.8

At the end of all of this...

0:20.0

We're going to have a little baby.

0:21.8

Raising Chelsea, a Hulu original series streaming exclusively on Disney Plus.

0:27.3

18 plus subscription required T's and T supply.

0:35.0

Hello and welcome to The Shift, the podcast that aims to tell the no-hold about truth about being a woman post-40, created and hosted by me, journalist and author, Sam Baker. My guest this week is a novelist, filmmaker and Zen Buddhist priest. Rutha Zeki was born in Connecticut in the 1950s to a Japanese mother and, as she puts it,

0:55.7

Caucasian anthropologist father. Despite always wanting to write, she didn't publish her first novel

1:00.8

until she was 40 because, in part, she didn't feel entitled to. She needn't have worried.

1:06.0

That novel, My Year of Meets, won the Kirayama Prize and the American Book Award.

1:14.6

And her third novel, A Tale for the Time Being, was shortlisted for the manned booker prize in 2013.

1:16.1

Her latest, The Book of Form and Emptiness, looks destined to go the same way.

1:20.4

The story of a young boy named Benny O, who loses his father when he's 12 12 and is quite traumatized by this. And in the

1:30.2

aftermath of his father's death, he starts to hear the voices of things speaking to him.

1:34.9

These are just ordinary things in the house, like a running shoe or a Christmas ornament

1:38.9

or, you know, a piece of wilted lettuce in the fridge. Buddism has informed Ruth's life just as much as, if not more, than writing.

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