Rutger Bregman: What are we actually doing with our lives?
Full Disclosure with James O'Brien
Global
4.5 • 3.6K Ratings
🗓️ 23 January 2026
⏱️ 72 minutes
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Summary
From calling out billionaires at Davos to challenging institutions that would rather stay comfortable, Rutger Bregman has built a career around one simple question: what are we actually doing with our lives?
In this episode of Full Disclosure, James O’Brien sits down with the historian and author of Moral Ambition to talk about purpose, power and the quiet pressure to go along with things we know are wrong. Bregman reflects on his upbringing, his loss of religious faith, and how that search for meaning became a drive to make ideas matter in the real world.
They discuss why small groups of people have always been the engine of change, how ego and idealism often overlap, and why so many smart, capable people feel stuck doing work that doesn’t align with their values. From abolitionists and resistance movements to modern politics, media cowardice and the rise of authoritarianism, Bregman argues that change usually starts when someone simply asks others to step up.
Thoughtful, accessible and quietly challenging, this conversation is about agency, responsibility and the uncomfortable idea that waiting for someone else to act is itself a choice.
Find out more about Moral Ambition: How to Find Your Purpose by Rutger Bregman here
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| 0:47.9 | Hello and welcome to full disclosure, a podcast project conceived entirely to let me spend more time than I would ever get on the radio with interesting people. |
| 0:52.2 | Although this week, Rook at Bregman, that might be something of an understatement. |
| 0:54.2 | There is so much to get through. |
| 0:58.2 | It strikes me as we sit down together, |
| 1:02.0 | that some people listening to this will know you and your work inside out. |
| 1:04.7 | Some people may not know you at all. |
| 1:09.7 | And some people will actually know some of the things that you've done, |
| 1:10.8 | although they may not immediately know your name. So author and historian or public intellectual seem slightly inadequate |
| 1:17.4 | descriptions. How particularly latterly with the launch of your latest project, which we'll get to |
| 1:22.5 | and sits very much within and alongside your new book, well, your new paperback moral ambition. |
| 1:28.6 | How do you think of yourself? What is your sort of internal job description? |
| 1:33.4 | I guess as a public historian who recently quit his job, I think that's it. |
| 1:38.5 | Who's going to need more than that, mate? Okay. Well, I spend about a decade in, you know, the pundit industry, writing articles, writing books. |
| 1:47.6 | I wrote three books today. |
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