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Hello, it's 93 days since Russian forces invaded Ukraine.

Now, some listeners might remember that earlier this week we spoke to Marina of Sianakova,

her former editor of Channel One on Russian State TV, who in the early stages of the war

ran onto the set of a live news program, dramatically waving a poster in protest against

the war.

What's interesting after that, another Russian correspondent, Jean Nagalakova, so someone

viewers were able to see for almost two decades she attended her resignation and she denounced

the war and the Russian government and now she is in Europe and she talks to the press.

And David Grossman, the US correspondent of the BBC's News Night program on television,

he's been speaking to her.

It's like you're living two worlds.

Even now when you're watching news in Russia, sometimes I do it, it's like two different

planets.

In one planet there is ruins and total disaster, death and tragedy in another world.

It's a Russian militaries that was cheered by local population with flowers and this

is only victories and there is only something positive and great.

In this two worlds, don't mix up.

And it's blow my mind, how they do it.

This is incredible.

How the brain washed their population.

We've heard a lot about Russian propaganda messages, state TV, I myself had to watch

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