Russian Roulette
The TPM Show with Josh and Kate
Talking Points Memo
4.8 • 1.9K Ratings
🗓️ 17 February 2022
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Josh and Kate discuss the Russia-Ukraine situation, and some chaos reigning right here at home as Texas prepares for its first-in-the-nation primary under a new voting law.
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| 2:00.0 | on your time scale. It's been going on for years or months, but it's been particularly intense |
| 2:05.4 | over the last few weeks. And it seemed like things were coming down, and now it seems maybe |
| 2:13.0 | it's not. There was some shelling this morning, and anywhere we're going to get to that. On the |
| 2:17.7 | Canadian thing, the thing I want to make clear is, I think it is important to see both of these |
| 2:24.9 | incidents, both of these situations, as part of a much broader story. And that is the |
| 2:33.6 | battle between authoritarianism and civic democracy globally right now. Now, there are different |
| 2:41.1 | permutations of it, but they're both part of the same thing, and they are also examples of how |
| 2:49.2 | that basic conflict, which are world, which the globe has been in the midst of for seven or eight |
| 2:57.8 | years, those things have been brought to the forefront by COVID. You remember those little things, |
| 3:06.4 | those little snow globes, little plastic things, you shake it up, and all the snow comes down. |
| 3:11.2 | You know, COVID has kind of done that to the whole world. It's shaken the whole, it's shaken the whole |
| 3:15.0 | globe. A lot of things break, and everything's turned upside down, and it creates a lot of chaos, |
| 3:18.8 | and uncertainty. And it has further weakened, stressed the forces of national community and |
| 3:29.6 | trust that keeps nation states together. And it has also brought this in various ways, brought |
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