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The President’s Inbox

Russia’s Stakes in the Iran War, With Thomas Graham

The President’s Inbox

Council on Foreign Relations

Politics, News:politics, News

4.4734 Ratings

🗓️ 8 April 2026

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

This episode unpacks the opportunities and risks Moscow is facing amid the U.S. and Israeli war with Iran.   Host: James M. Lindsay, Mary and David Boies Distinguished Senior Fellow in U.S. Foreign Policy, CFR   Guest: Thomas Graham, Distinguished Fellow, CFR   We Discuss: Whether Russia and Iran are true allies, or simply friends of convenience. How decades of rivalry and recent convergence shaped the current Moscow-Tehran relationship. Why Russia's strategic partnership with Iran excludes a mutual defense obligation. What role Russian intelligence sharing may be playing on the Middle East battlefield. How rising oil prices help Russia in the short term but carry serious long-term economic risks. Whether keeping the Strait of Hormuz closed serves Moscow's interest. How Operation Epic Fury has stalled peace negotiations in the Russia-Ukraine war, and complicated weapons supply to Kyiv.   Mentioned on the Episode:   Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, July 14, 2015   Russia-Iran Comprehensive Strategic Partnership Treaty, January 17, 2025   For an episode transcript and show notes, visit The President’s Inbox at: https://www.cfr.org/podcasts/presidents-inbox/russias-stakes-in-the-iran-war   Opinions expressed on The President’s Inbox are solely those of the host or guests, not of CFR, which takes no institutional positions on matters of policy.

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0:00.0

The view in Moscow as a consequence of the Iranian conflict is that this administration does not believe that Russia is a priority.

0:09.0

They don't have respect for Russian power, and they're not interested in normalization of relations.

0:13.0

And that is not the deep state that rises to the very top.

0:16.0

The forces tell CBS News Russia is providing intelligence to Iran about U.S. positions in the Middle East.

0:22.6

The U.S. has temporarily lifted its sanctions on oil produced in Russia.

0:26.6

As Iran fights for its survival, questions abound about the role that Russia is playing.

0:31.6

Is Moscow helping Tehran to counter U.S. and Israeli airstrikes?

0:35.6

Does Russia see the closure of the Strait of her moves as serving its interests?

0:40.1

And what does Operation Epic Fury mean for the war in Ukraine and the future of U.S.-Russian relations?

0:46.9

From the Council on Foreign Relations, welcome to the president's inbox. I'm Jim Lindsay.

0:52.3

Joining me today is Thomas Graham, distinguished fellow here at the

0:56.6

council. Tom, thank you very much for joining me. Glad to be with you. Tom, there has been a lot of

1:02.7

talk in recent years about the rise of the so-called access of autocracy as Russia cooperates

1:09.1

with China, Iran, and North Korea. I want to focus our conversations

1:14.3

on the Russia-Iran nexus. And I was hoping you could sort of start off by helping me understand

1:22.0

the nature of relationship between Moscow and Tehran. Are they allies? Are they frenemies? Are they something else?

1:29.7

Yeah, frenemies is probably the best term at this point. Russia and Iran have had a complicated

1:34.8

relationship for centuries. They've been rivals in the Caucasus, in the Caspian region. That

1:43.4

continued up until very, very recently with the

1:49.1

deterioration and relations between both Russia and Iran. They drew closer after 2014,

1:56.0

this is after Russia annexed Crimea, the break with the West.

2:01.9

Both countries, perhaps among the most heavily sanctioned by the United States and the world.

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