I'm John Batchel with my colleague and his oldest Anatoly Zach.

He keeps the Russian space web a subscription site I recommend to follow the People's Republic of China

as it takes advantage of the Roscosmos technology and thinking and frontier conduct these last decades since the 1950s.

However, China has the money, Russia does it.

That's a practical limitation.

Russia is conducting a very difficult confrontation in Europe, and war chews up budgets.

So is the answer to work with China?

China thinks so.

They've had understandings for several years now

that they've developed the moon themselves.

So we go to a piece of history

that Anatoly makes available,

a lunar lander for the cis lunar station.

This dates, what, five, ten years ago?

How out of date is this for Roscosmos? Thank you, Anatoly. John, so this particular study and design research is very recent.

So it's very modern and it's quite contemporary and it's still

relevant to what's going on today. Because

of course, we know that the SISL lunar

station is still officially on the books, even though

there are a lot of rumors that NASA is

going to kill that project, but it's still

officially not closed

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