As Ukraine's military battles Russian troops on the ground, there's another battle taking place.

It's in the digital realm. Ukraine's cyber security authority says the cyber conflict with Russia is unprecedented,

describing it as the world's first hybrid war.

Russia has been actively using disinformation to wage an information war against Ukraine.

But now Ukraine is fighting back by using social media to rally international support against Russia.

This is Sarah Stewart Holland and this is Beth Silverz.

Thank you for joining us for Pant suit politics.

Hello everyone. Thank you for joining us here on Pant suit politics where we try to take a different approach to the news.

Today we're going to talk about the latest in Ukraine, including bringing back friend of the show, Clon Kitchen of the American Enterprise Institute in the Dispatch,

to talk with us about the role cyber attacks and cyber security are playing in this conflict.

Outside of politics, we'll give you a little update on our substitute teaching experiences.

Really our first impressions as we've both spent some time in classrooms now.

And before we get started, we want to say thank you so much to everyone who's pre-ordered our book Now What, which releases May 3rd.

You've made our publisher very happy by putting those pre-orders in. This is a really important part of getting the book into the world for reasons that we both sort of understand and sort of do not.

Well, and let me just take this moment publicly to say, I want to be a New York Times best seller. Beth does not care. I care.

I care for you. I want it. I want this for you.

I want it. It sounds so nice. New York Times best selling author, Sarah Stewart Holland, best silver. And where on the street is you need about 5,000 out the gate.

You sell about 5,000 books out the gate to get the attention. Is it sort of a racket? Does anybody really know how the list works?

Do some books show up on the list that sell way less than that? Yes, I'm aware of this. I understand that it is not a clear and transparent process. And I do not care. I want it anyway.

So let me just put that out in the universe. That's another huge important part to me and why I appreciate every single pre-order.

Now remember, we're having a pre-order like party in Waco April 30th before the book comes out on May 3rd. If you can join us, you're going to get the book a little bit sooner than it releases, which is exciting.

If you're not available for pre-order at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, anywhere you like to buy books, and if you pre-order now, and Amazon drops the price between now and then you will get it at the lowest price. So no reason to wait for a better deal.

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