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Welcome to Angry Planet. I'm Jason Fields. Matthew Galt is taking his

turn on sabbatical. It's been a concern lurking in the mind of America's leaders for a long time.

What if Russia and China could successfully work together against the United States?

A combined Russo-Chinese Empire is the stuff of science fiction perhaps, but what's the reality today?

What goals do they share and how well do they work together?

And how does that cooperation affect the potential war in Ukraine?

To help us understand the situation we have Andrew Radin who is a political scientist at the Rand Corporation.

He researches European Security, NATO, and Russia's

foreign and security policy. Also joining me is Andrew Scobell, who is a distinguished

fellow at the U. the US Institute of Peace, an adjunct political

scientist at the Rand Corporation, and an adjunct professor at the Georgetown School of

Foreign Service.

They both worked on a Rand report called China,

Russia Cooperation,

determining factors, future trajectories,

implications for the United States.

Thank you both so much for joining me.

Thanks for having us.

A pleasure.

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