Welcome to the Conversations that Matter Podcast. My name is John Harris.

So I'm a little late on this one in a way. This was kind of old news, but not really because the advantage to commenting on something later that when it actually happened is I'm able to also look at the reactions to that thing so I'm I can comment on the

commentary and and so that's what I'm going to be doing today this isn't so much

about Beth Moore and her decision to leave the Southern Baptist Convention,

but what this means and what how this has been used.

And that's really more, I think, my point.

I've had a number of people reach out to me and say hopeful things actually.

Ask me questions that are hopeful. You know, does this mean the Southern Baptist Convention

is going to go more conservative now because look people like Charlie

dates have left now Beth Moore's leaving Dwight McKissic has threatened to

leave these are more progressive people in the SBC does that mean that the

conservatives are winning and I want to say hold on let's

think through this first and let's take all the facts into account that we can

let's create a paradigm that just makes sense of everything because that's not the only

thing that's happening right now if it were the only thing that was happening in

other words if if what 40 churches weren't leaving the Southern Baptist

convention every month then I would say that yeah maybe

this is a good sign. But the fact is you do have about 40 churches leaving the SBC every month

and I talked to last week I was at an

event and Randy Adams happened to be with someone I know who was there and

anyway I got to meet him he wasn't meeting with me that's not why he was there but I was I was somewhere where he also was and so we actually got to talk for a little bit he's running for president of the Southern Baptist Convention. He's a conservative. I got really

encouraging conversation with him. As some of you may well know, another gentleman named Mike Stone's also running on a more

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