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Hello, I'm Michael Goode, editor of The Spectator. And I'm Madeline Grant, assistant editor of The Spectator.

Today we'll be talking to Rupert Lowe. Rupert is an independent MP. He was integral to reform

success at the last general election, and he's been responsible for a series of campaigns in Parliament

on grooming gangs, on migration, on free speech, and he's one of the most energetic of all of the

MPs elected at the last parliament, and perhaps one of the most influential of all of the MPs elected at the last Parliament and perhaps one of the

most influential for the rest of this Parliament. Rupert, when you stood in the election last year

as a reform candidate, what did you hope that reform would achieve? Well, we had a very clear aim, Michael,

because as you probably know, British politics is a bit of a closed shop or has been historically.

Change happens very, very occasionally when the British people have a sort of momentous moment where they decide they want change, such as when the Labour Party, which was a movement originally took power.

So we realised that actually, and having campaign like I've done for the, against Maastricht,

for the referendum party where I kept my deposit in 97 to save the pound, business for

sterling, vote, leave, and then the Brexit party where I was an MEP, we've always been a protest group, but we've never had a seat in the House of Commons, which is ultimately, I realize now it's not the power base that it should be or historically has been, but it's still influential in that being elected into the House of Commons gives you a platform.

And as I've shown, if you actually choose to raise issues and speak plainly, which I think most of the British voting public have got rather bored of people saying everything except the truth.

And I think all it requires is, as they say,

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