Welcome to the Inside Outside podcast. I'm Deskerman, author, horticultural therapy practitioner and founder of Bascar, where I help people use gardening

and nature for mental, emotional, physical, and social well-being. I love nature and gardening,

but I also really love being inside, snuggle up in my bed, watching shows. So each week,

I merge those two worlds together, not just beds and shows, but all

pop culture inside things. And my guest and I talk about nature. That's the outside part.

And then we share one of our current inside obsessions. But before we dive in, each week,

I share a reason why I love to grow. And I'm sure you're thinking, hmm, she's probably

run out of reasons. I haven't. Reason number five of why I like to grow things. New friends and

deepened friendships. Since I've started growing, I've made a lot of new plant friends. And it's also

opened up new ways for me to connect with my already friends.

With my new plant friends, we share seats and plants and give each other tips.

I mean talk about other things besides plants.

And with my old friends, I get to share how to grow and we do plant things together, which is

really been a fun way to deepen our relationships.

I know people always talk about how it's hard to make friends as adults, but growing has been

so incredible, such a good gateway to new relationships, and relationships that have come exactly when I needed them.

So number five, reason why I love to grow new friends.

All right, today's guest is Barry Liner Grant.

Barry, she's incredible.

I cannot wait for you to hear her on this episode.

Barry left a longtime career as a journalist to help people with grief. She's become a well-respected grief specialist and the founder of the Memory Circle, which is a space for grief support. And it's created learnings for people to live with loss. Her work has been featured in the Washington Post, Psychology

Today, and Marie Shriver's Sunday paper. She's been on shows, radio shows, and now she's on

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