A heads up.

This episode contains some discussions of mental illness and themes of suicide.

Today we are talking about running.

My guest Charlie Dark used it to change his life and the lives of hundreds of people.

Charlie Dark is a DJ and a poet who set up Run Them Crew in 2007.

It's a running community for people who don't typically consider themselves runners.

Today it has hundreds of members from all walks of life with crews and off-shoot collectives in cities across the

world. Charlie grew up in the same part of London as me. I met him for the first time to

record this conversation and to be honest we could have spent hours talking about the old

days, the 80s, music, clubs we both went to, but really we had to talk about Run Limb Crew.

For Charlie, it all emerged from one of the darkest points in his life.

I remember spending a week indoors in the dark.

You go for that period, but I've got everything.

So what I do is just make it into a fortress.

I'm just going to lock myself away.

I just was like, I don't want to, I don't want to interact with the world.

The world has let me down.

I'm Ian Wright, and this is everyday people.

We're going to start Charlie's story in the late 90s.

He was a musician, he was in a band and things were going pretty well.

The band was called Atika Blues. And the label was called Moax. Right. So we signed to Moax.

They were on A&M records for a bit and then we got a really big deal. So over the course of that 10 years, you know, life is kind of cool. In what way? So you just said, did you add stuff? It was just, what the material stuff you mean? I think what happens is you go from, I'm opening my fridge and I'm not really seeing lots of food in there. You know, I'm going to my trainer collection and there's only two pairs. I go to the

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