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Thinking Allowed

Rules and Order

Thinking Allowed

BBC

Society & Culture, Science

4.4997 Ratings

🗓️ 28 September 2022

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Rules & Order: Laurie Taylor talks to Tim Newburn, Professor of Criminology and Social Policy at the LSE, about the social history of ‘orderly Britain’ – the way in which we’ve resolved everyday problems, from dog fouling to smoking and queuing. They’re joined by Lorraine Daston, Director Emeritus at the Max Planck Institute for the History of Science, who traces the development of rules in the Western tradition, ones which have set out work hours, dictated how we set the table, told us whether to offer an extended hand or cheek in greeting, and organised the rituals of life. Why do we need such rules and could we live without them?

Producer: Jayne Egerton

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:30.3

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0:36.3

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0:42.2

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0:47.0

Hello I learned this week of the death of John McVicker

0:51.0

news described in the Sun headline as public enemy number one

0:55.8

an ex-bank robber dies from heart attack. Well it was a sad moment for me

1:00.3

because after John was eventually released from prison clutching a newly attained degree in sociology,

1:05.6

he and I were to spend several years together attempting to collaborate on a book about professional crime

1:10.7

that would form a sort of sequel to his own much praised autobiography.

1:15.0

Well it was hardly a successful collaboration.

1:18.0

My soft liberalism sat uneasily alongside John's tough unreadiness to sell out his former way of life. But during the

1:26.2

research for that book I met and spent time with the number of past and

1:29.6

present villains and came to relish, if not exactly endorse, their cavalier approach to rule following.

1:35.8

I particularly remember an evening at Ronnie Scott's Jousplub in Soho, when my companion

1:40.6

at once notorious Con man called George,

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