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Rule Makers and Rule Breakers: How Tight and Loose Cultures Wire Our World | Michele Gelfand

Hidden Forces

Demetri Kofinas

Business, Government

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 7 October 2019

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 103 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with cultural psychologist Michele Gelfand, who argues that the world's cultures can be classified into two categories by virtue of their norms. She offers a lucid explanation of how and why cultures become tight or loose, outlining their different societal attitudes. This episode is full of eye-opening insights for development professionals, policymakers and those working in international business. 

According to Gelfand, tight cultures have a large number of social norms that enforce order and conformity and tend to evolve in nations that face many natural and human-made threats. Loose cultures, on the other hand, have more lenient norms and tolerate a wider array of behaviors. They generally face fewer chronic threats – but may tighten up temporarily in the event of an acute threat. Furthermore, says Michele, tight and loose cultures each have advantages and disadvantages and it's possible to modify a nation's norms in order to address protracted social problems. This is also true in the private sector. In a particularly relevant part of the conversation, Michele describes how businesses also develop tight or loose cultures and how a cultural mismatch can doom a merger or undermine cooperation among a corporation's divisions. The example she provides is that of Chrysler and Mercedes Benz, but Demetri also raises the example of AOL-Time Warner, perhaps the most prominent failed marriage of the late 90's stock market boom. 

"Tight" cultures, like Saudi Arabia, Singapore, and Germany, embrace rigid norms and mete out harsh punishments for those who deviate. "Loose" cultures, including New Zealand, the United States, and Brazil, are more tolerant of a wide assortment of behaviors. According to Dr. Gelfand, when countries, families, companies, and US states all act in accordance with their divergent conceptions of "normal," misunderstandings and conflict often arise that help to explain many of the phenomena we encounter in daily life, business, and politics.

The overtime to this week's episode includes a conversation about changing cultural norms in the workplace, as well as how the norms in some western countries began to change after terrorist attacks. 

This overtime segment, as well as the transcript and rundown to the full episode, are available to audiophile, autodidact, and super nerd subscribers through the Hidden Forces Patreon Page. All subscribers also gain access to our overtime feed, which can be easily be added to your favorite podcast application. 

Producer & Host: Demetri Kofinas

Editor & Engineer: Stylianos Nicolaou

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And with that, please enjoy this week's episode. And the What's up everybody? My episode today is with Michelle Gelfand.

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Michelle is a cross-cultural psychologist and a professor of psychology

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at the University of Maryland College Park.

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And she is also the author of a recently published book titled,

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Rule Makers, Rule Breakers, which looks at cultures from the perspective of how tightly or loosely members of that culture adhere to their own social norms.

1:16.6

How readily they deviate from them?

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How significant or insignificant norm violations are within a particular culture, and also looking at what types

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of distributions along the spectrum of tightness are optimal or ideal both for promoting particular outcomes within a culture,

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but also for the stability, the macro-stability of the culture itself, the society which adopts the norms of that culture.

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We've already done a few episodes dealing with similar subjects.

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Our episode with Safi Bacall on phase transitions comes most readily to mind, but also our

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episodes with Jonathan Haight and Robbie Suave are, in a sense, predicated on the existence of cultural norms and how human beings cope with

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changes in what is considered appropriate or inappropriate behavior.

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And it seems to me that this is becoming increasingly relevant today.

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And by this, I mean this landscape of changing social norms within national boundaries.

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And a lot of it seems to be, if not driven by, then certainly complicated by these new mediums of communication and the values that are enforced by many of these large Silicon Valley tech companies that mediate so much of the national conversation around gun rights, women's rights issues,

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