There has to be some common sense.

Yes, sir, they have the car stop intended to crash microphone.

We still don't know who pulled the trigger. Hello everyone and welcome to police Off the Cuff Real Crime Stories.

I'm your host, Retired NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, a 27-year veteran of the NYPD.

You know, folks, this whole Ruby Frankie case, Jody Hildebrandt, It is quite bizarre, as you folks have been saying in the chat.

And when you really take a look at this case, the commonality and the power structure behind

all of this stuff is the Mormon Church, the Church of the Latter-day Saints.

And every time I take a deeper look into this,

every time I check into this story,

that's what comes up,

is that the church extends amazing influence over these people.

Just, and yes, a cultish way that they control these people's lives.

And almost everything they do from the way they make a living.

In this instance, you see on this flyer on the screen,

Julie DeRue and Bonnie Holline,

who are the two sisters of Ruby Frankie,

who are also podcasters.

And they're criticizing their sister Ruby.

But are they not part of this whole, basically this machine

that is putting the word out there, the word, the church of the Latter-day Saints? I have people

reaching out to me since I've been doing this story and say, oh, I used to be a

Mormon and I got out of the church because of this, that, and the other thing, however, they're

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