Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Cobbleman.

Thanks for listening. I'm thrilled about today's guest.

I've known this guy since we coached basketball against one another when our sons were 10.

I think I won though.

Did I win?

No, I mean, sometimes.

I think you guys might have full court pressed us,

but no, we would coach and then we would practice in the same facility yes my

guest is Rubin Santiago Hudson who is a playwright theater director now a

television director a television director, a television show star, a supporting actor, is

Rol Gomez on Showtime's billions. And as I say, I first got to know you when I saw how hotly competitive but loving you were

Coaching your son. Yeah, thank you. You know, it was all about the kids and I admire that about you as well was always about the kids yeah

we were somehow both wanted to win but we didn't become assholes that's the secret

or we hid or we hid that we were assholes we could could be assholes each other, but not to the kids. Not to the kids. That was the whole thing.

As we were just talking before we started, Rubin, you were saying, and we'll go, I want to get into your biography because your story is so

inspiring people constantly talk to me about the things that are against them in

becoming what they want to become and you had so much stacked against you

as you've written about and dramatized

and came here.

But I just want to start at a little bit of a service level

because before you started, you were talking about life

and you said, you know, you were talking about

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