This week on two blocks from the White House.

We're talking about our recent travels and what we've learned from them.

I just got back from the Middle East after covering the Iran War.

And I took what felt like the shortest trip to France ever,

accompanying Secretary of State Marco Rubio to the G7 Foreign Ministers meeting on Friday.

And I'm in Florida this week for the Artemis II Space Lunch.

Join me, Katie Simpson and my fellow Washington correspondents, Paul Hunter and Willie Lowry,

every week on two blocks from the White House.

This is a CBC podcast.

And we're sitting up, yeah go to the kids get all the honest

we're going to get down. All in your hands. We're going to. Okay. Let's get right to it. So John M. Kelly, Dr. John Kelly, I'm going to ask you the question we ask most of the doctors that we have on the show. Are you a medical doctor or a smart person doctor?

I'm not a medical doctor.

I'm so humble of you. You look like a smart person.

You are a PhD and distinguished professor of psychology at Endicott College.

And I got to say, so this is a topic that we have been like looking forward to diving into for

quite a while.

And it's the topic of placebo, which, you know, I'm sure some people, some people probably don't

know anything about placebo. I know probably don't know anything about placebo.

I know we don't know a whole lot. But like, as far as I can tell, placebo is, and I can't wait

for you to like just school me on this. Placebo is like the effect of something, for example,

a medicine that doesn't actually do anything, but having an effect because the brain sort of is playing its own psychosocial trickery that it believes this thing

is happening. And so it actually has an effect? Is it witchcraft is what we're trying to ask? Is it is it witchcraft? is happening and so it actually has an effect?

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