This is Ross Coulthard and you are listening to that

UFO podcast?

Think on,

was there any disappointment you had with the UFO topic in 2023, anything that kind of came to mind?

Dan, you're nodding first, so let me come to you first, well Nathan and Graham maybe ponder on that.

So for me, the most frustrating point of the year was everything around the mummies that came from Peru.

And I'm not commenting on whether they're real or not.

The frustrating thing came from how they were presented the conversation around them and how that story is developed.

There was an anthropological find in Peru, and someone wanted to present that.

That presentation came out as someone bandy embodies about on kind of you know these exposed sheets

at a Mexico UFO hearing. That hearing had a whole bunch of, you know,

repeatable people in attendance,

and that moment in the hearing just changed the tone of it 180. I think it was a really good example of where

euphology is and where euphology was, you know, many moons ago. You still have a lot of

people kind of holding on to the mummy thing and fair enough you know it

their interest in and they should be studied but the context they were presented in and what you

just said about Grush as well, I think, Andy, kind of emphasizes how when we present this data,

it is so important that it is presented professionally and properly from respected bodies and not just, you know, hey, look at this, I got a, you know, you know, handling it with no gloves and stuff like that.

Just the presentation took you know made that not very reputable for a lot of

people they see how they were handled they see how the data is being shared

they see the work that's been then they They see the controversy around, you know,

I'm me removing these mummies from Peru and they have them in Mexico to study and you know there

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