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On Being with Krista Tippett

Ross Gay — On the Insistence of Joy

On Being with Krista Tippett

On Being Studios

Society, Spirituality, Society & Culture, Sociology, Culture, Science, Religion & Spirituality, Krista Tippett, Social Sciences, On Being, Arts

4.710.2K Ratings

🗓️ 13 June 2024

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

In our world of so much suffering, it can feel hard or wrong to invoke the word "joy." Yet joy has been one of the most insistent, recurrent rallying cries in almost every life-giving conversation that Krista has had across recent months and years, even and especially with people on the front lines of humanity's struggles. Ross Gay helps illuminate this paradox and turn it into a muscle. We are good at fighting, as he puts it, and not as good at holding in our imaginations what is to be adored and preserved and exalted — advocating for what we love, for what we find beautiful and necessary. But without this, he says, we cannot speak meaningfully even about our longings for a more just world, a more whole existence for all. To understand that we are all suffering — and so to practice tenderness and mercy — is a quality of what Ross calls “adult joy." Starting with his cherished essay collection The Book of Delights, he began to accompany many in an everyday spiritual discipline of practicing delight and cultivating joy.

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In our world of so much suffering, it can feel hard or wrong to invoke the word joy.

0:07.4

Yet joy has been one of the most insistent, recurrent rallying cries in almost every life-giving conversation I've had

0:15.4

across recent months and years, even and especially with people on front lines of

0:21.6

humanity's struggles.

0:23.9

And Ross Gay helps illuminate this paradox

0:27.7

and turn it into a muscle.

0:30.0

We are good at fighting, as he puts it, and not as good at holding in our imaginations what

0:36.6

is to be adored and preserved and exalted.

0:41.2

Advocating for what we love, for what we find beautiful and necessary.

0:46.7

And without this, he says, we cannot speak meaningfully even about our longings for a more just world, a more whole existence for all.

0:58.1

I love this wisdom of Ross, that we practice tenderness and mercy in part because to understand that we are all

1:06.4

suffering is a quality of what he calls adult joy. He is a poet and essayist and teacher, a passionate community gardener, also a former college football player.

1:19.0

Beginning with his cherished essay collection,

1:22.6

the Book of Delights, he began to accompany many

1:26.0

in learning, I would say, as an everyday spiritual discipline

1:30.6

to practice delight and cultivate joy. I'm Krista Tippett and this is on being. Roske lives in Bloomington, Indiana. His other books include Beholding,

1:51.7

catalog of unabashed gratitude, and inciting joy.

1:57.4

This conversation unfolded live at the Loft Literary Center's 2019 Word Play Festival.

2:08.0

So here we are.

2:10.0

And what we're gonna do is is I have these three beautiful books.

2:16.6

And if at any time you just feel called to read something,

2:20.9

you may.

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