An ultimate solution to a lot of the problems that you and I agree face America, it has to come

from cultural and religious revival, and government can't like will that into being.

Articles like, don't be fooled by America's flattening curve. No one deserves to die of COVID-19 in jail,

and Trump, why waste a crisis? Cover the New York Times' pages. It's no surprise that one of America's

most well-known media outlets leans to the left. But a few writers for that fabled newspaper are on the right, voicing their opinion on the Times' pages. Ross Dowthad is one of these few, and has been with the paper for the last 11 years. He's made a career of sharing conservative thought in liberal circles. Back in the day, Ross ran his high school newspaper and founded an underground paper with

none other than Michael Barbaro, host of the successful podcast, The Daily.

As a Harvard student, he edited the campus's conservative newspaper and wrote for the Harvard

Crimson, and after graduating, rose through the ranks at the Atlantic to be their senior editor.

He's now published five books. His latest is the

Deccant Society, How We Became the Victims of Our Own Success. And twice a week, he writes a New York

Times column covering topics like The Pandemic and the Will of God, are liberals against marriage,

what will happen to conservative Catholicism, the age of American despair, often exploring

conservatism in the 21st century.

In our conversation, Ross tells me what it's like to be a conservative working at the New York Times,

his thoughts on adapting conservative policies for populism, and his warnings of America's future

in the midst of stagnation and decadence.

Thank you. and decadence. Welcome to the Ben Shapiro Show Sunday special.

Joining us today is Ross Douthat.

Just a reminder, we'll be doing some bonus questions with Ross near the end of the show,

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