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I'm Dorothy Wickendon On today's Politics and More podcast, David Remnick talks to New York

Times columnist Ross Douthit. In his new book about the Catholic Church, Dowthead portrays

Pope Francis as a disruptive figure, not unlike Donald Trump.

Last week, Pope Francis issued a statement to Catholics worldwide, something that's called an

apostolic exhortation. In more than 100 pages, he talks about how to live a holy life in,

quote, a practical way for our time.

The document covers many things, but the newspaper headlines singled out this in particular,

that caring for the poor and for refugees is a vital Catholic duty,

just as vital in Francis's eyes as opposing abortion.

That shift in the church's priorities has made Pope Francis quite popular, especially here in the United States, but it's led to some hostility and real resistance to the Pope

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