On this episode, New York Times Opinion columnist Ross Douthat tells Russell Moore where he's wrong on Catholicism and American culture. Kind of. Douthat and Moore consider what it looks like for Christians to engage civically without surrendering to the relentless urgency of the political cycle. They discuss the Roman Catholic Church and what's happening at the intersection of religion, American culture, and world culture. They have a rich discussion of Douthat's religious upbringing, corruption in religious hierarchies, and when Martin Luther did (and didn't) have a point. They talk about Pope John Paul II and Pope Francis, the insufficiency of punditry, and whether or not America is a post-Christian nation. Their discussion plays by the "Tell Me Where I'm Wrong" rules: Moore is only allowed to ask questions that seek to understand the guest's point of view, and if he starts to argue, the guest is supposed to stop him. Episodes in the "Tell Me Where I'm Wrong" series include: Bill McKibben Tells Me Where I’m Wrong About Cultural Christianity Shane Claiborne Tells Me Where I’m Wrong on the Death Penalty Ligon Duncan Tells Me Where I'm Wrong on Infant Baptism Resources mentioned in this episode include: Bad Religion by Ross Douthat The Deep Places by Ross Douthat  The apologetic works of C.S. Lewis  The apologetic works of G.K. Chesterton The Ninety-Five Theses by Martin Luther Confessions of a Catholic by Michael Novak To Change the Church: Pope Francis and the Future of Catholicism by Ross Douthat Click here for a trial membership at Christianity Today. “The Russell Moore Show” is a production of Christianity Today  Executive Producers: Erik Petrik, Russell Moore, and Mike Cosper  Host: Russell Moore  Producer: Ashley Hales  Associate Producers: Abby Perry and Azurae Phelps  CT Administration: Christine Kolb  Social Media: Kate Lucky  Director of Operations for CT Media: Matt Stevens  Production Assistance: coreMEDIA Audio Engineer: Kevin Duthu  Coordinator: Beth Grabenkort  Video Producer: John Roland  Theme Song: “Dusty Delta Day” by Lennon Hutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices