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Rory Stewart on Trump, Nationalism and The Value of Rural Life (Part Two)

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🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

Over the course of a decade in politics Rory Stewart saw how power really works and what forces drive our communities apart. He was a backbench MP, held several ministerial positions, and stood for prime minister – before being sacked from a Conservative Party that he had come to barely recognise. Now, well away from the political arena, he regularly shares his insights into current affairs and global politics as co-host of the UK’s leading political podcast, The Rest Is Politics. In October he came to Intelligence Squared to discuss the state of Britain and the world today. He drew from his new book 'Middleland: Dispatches from the Borders' to discuss his decade as MP of one of Britain’s most rural constituencies, Penrith and The Border. And he argued that to truly create a better future for all we must understand the tensions that exist between rural and urban, between farming and the natural world, between the need to preserve and to grow, and between local and national politics. Bridges must – and can – be built, he argued. The event was hosted by former MP and author Caroline Lucas. You can find out more about her book Another England: Reclaiming Our National Story here: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/453710/another-england-by-lucas-caroline/9781804941591 --- If you'd like to become a Member and get access to all our full ad free conversations, plus all of our Members-only content, just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more. For £4.99 per month you'll also receive: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared episodes, wherever you get your podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series - 15% discount on livestreams and in-person tickets for all Intelligence Squared events  ...  Or Subscribe on Apple for £4.99: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series … Already a subscriber? Thank you for supporting our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations! Visit intelligencesquared.com to explore all your benefits including ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content and early access. … Subscribe to our newsletter here to hear about our latest events, discounts and much more. https://www.intelligencesquared.com/newsletter-signup/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But one in ten people around the world don't have clean water.

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People like 13-year-old Nestilene in Madagascar,

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who collects dirty water every day before school

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0:33.6

When a community gains clean water, everything changes.

0:36.6

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0:51.1

like Nestilene and her whole community can have clean water for years to come.

0:55.7

Please donate £5 a month today and help WaterAid to work alongside communities to bring clean water

1:01.3

to everyone everywhere. Visit water.org to find out more.

1:05.7

Welcome to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet. I'm producer Mia Serente. For this episode,

1:13.0

we're rejoining for part two of our live event with co-host of the restless politics,

1:17.5

Rui Stewart. Stuart joined us recently at Friends House in London to discuss the state of Britain

1:22.9

and the world today, with Caroline Lucas, the former leader of the Green Party.

1:31.4

Drawing on his new book, Middleland, Dispatches from the Borders, Stewart argued that to truly create a better future for all,

1:35.0

we must understand the tensions that exist between rural and urban,

1:38.6

between farming and the natural world, between the need to preserve and to grow,

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