Roy, that's quite an afternoon's work. I feel like I've been a psychiatrist doing four clients

in quick succession, putting them on the couch, getting into their psyche and trying to work out

just what their humanity consists of.

So it's been a very interesting process.

You saw through them all, obviously.

Still, in 25 years there's not been a winner as such.

What I saw immediately, and you learn how to do this actually during the process,

was that asking simple questions like

where do you live what are your hobbies they can just about cope with as soon as

you get a bit kind of free form I started talking to them about things like

London property prices whether slugs were eating the vegetables in my garden, the Great British Bake-Off, and yeah, my dog, which happens to be called cabbage.

And I'm afraid that bambooz, some immediately and some just crumbled eventually.

I can't imagine something being so refined as to think of a dog and cabbage, the name

of a vegetable, and actually make sense of that. Yeah. Is that what threw them? Well, they were

certainly thrown by that. They were thrown by anything which didn't go down very conventional

lines. Anything that was like a real human conversation, a simple Q&A, where do you live? What do you do for a living? Do you

enjoy it? They could do. And some of them, one of them in particular, been programmed in rather cunningly,

to know things about the competition, to know that Hugh Lerbner was wearing a fancy shirt,

started asking, do you like the cool shirt that Hugh Lovner's wearing?

And in a funny kind of way, that was just too obvious.

To me, that was an instant clue that that's a boss.

You've obviously spent the afternoon thinking about the difference between

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