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That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast

Rorschach w/ Jama Williamson

That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast

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Tv & Film

4.57.3K Ratings

🗓️ 13 January 2026

⏱️ 158 minutes

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Summary

This week, Liza and Kara cover the episode,“Rorschach” (Season 26, Episode 6), discuss the horrific murder of Gabby Petito, and interview the delightful Jama Williamson.

SOURCES:
Wikipedia - Killing of Gabby Petito
American Murder: Gabby Petito
Forbes
The New York Times 1
The New York Times 2

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Gabby Petito Foundation

Next week’s episode will be “Ripped” (Season 7, Episode 4).

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0:00.0

This is exactly right.

0:06.4

Of the Law and Order franchises,

0:08.3

SVU is considered especially watchable.

0:10.9

We are the amateur detectives

0:12.1

who kind of investigate the vicious felonies

0:14.2

these episodes are based on.

0:15.8

These are our stories.

0:17.3

Dun dun.

0:17.9

Dun.

0:17.9

Dun. Don't done.

0:55.7

Yay, that's messed up an SVU podcast. I'm Lisa Trager. And I'm Kara Klank. And every week, we break down on an episode of SVU. We talk about the true crime it's based on and we interview a celeb guest. And first we chat up top. And this is our first time chatting. It's our, it's our, when does this episode come out? I'm like, I don't even know. I don't know when it comes out, but we are recording

1:01.6

on the anniversary of January 6th. Which we love to do. We do this every year. We love to record

1:07.3

on January 6th. A stain on our country, but a positive, funny thing for us.

1:13.1

I don't know.

1:13.4

Who can remember January 6th where now there's January 2nd or whatever?

1:18.6

No, there's the third, whatever just happened.

1:20.9

Well, the funniest thing is I remember January 6th, and I remember finding out the

1:25.0

information, I'm watching a video of people climbing into the

1:27.6

Capitol and my friend, who's no longer my friend, calls me, you probably know who this is, and starts

1:32.9

complaining about someone blaming her for getting COVID and like is complaining about the most

1:37.1

stupid stuff. And I'd be like, yeah, the people are climbing into the Capitol. I really would, I just, I'm busy. Like, I just remember being like, I can't. But now it's like this, everyone's pardon, nothing happened. It didn't matter. But when you're watching people attack the building, you're like, what the fuck? And she was just like, can you believe that she's called her and said this? And I go, I think we're under attack. I can't really focus. I have the opposite where I think of your best friend every time I think of January 6th because she's the one that wrote it into our group chat. Oh. And was like, and I was like, you she was like, you guys, people are attacking the Capitol. And I was like, okay. and then I like like, Googled it and was like, oh my God. Like, she's the one that like broke the news to me. So I kind of always think about her being like, no, this is a huge deal. And I was like, ah, like so nuts. But it ended up not mattering at all. Yeah. People died. People tried to, Well, yeah, there was an interview, I guess, with Pence or something.

2:34.8

He's like, yeah, AOC used to be chill as fuck. And then it changed after January 6th. I don't know what happened. And they're like, you tried to murder her. They tried to murder her. And I don't know. They tried to murder Mike Pence. I know, but he doesn't give a fuck. He's too busy pretending not to be gay, talking about gay, heated rivalry.

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