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You're listening to The Political Scene. I'm Tavler Foggett, and I'm a senior editor at The New Yorker.

You probably know Ronan Farrow for his blockbuster reporting on Harvey Weinstein, or on Black

Cube, an Israeli spyware company. He's just published a major piece in the New Yorker,

looking at the world's richest man, Elon Musk. What's revealed is pretty shocking. The U.S.

government has come to rely on Musk for essential services with major geopolitical importance.

Rockets for NASA, the future of battery technology, even communications in Ukraine.

Hi, Ronan. Thanks so much for being here. Thanks for having me, Tyler.

So since your first article for The New Yorker, which was about Harvey Weinstein, you've been reporting on abuses of power.

What drew you to Elon Musk specifically?

I think that ultimately the thing with Elon Musk is he's perhaps the most overexposed person in the world.

And it's actually quite challenging to find much that's truly new to say about him as an individual.

I mean, there are colorful anecdotes, obviously, in this reporting.

There's the fact that he was in consultations with Vladimir Putin that he

subsequently denied in the midst of the Ukraine conflict. There's the questions about his

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