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To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes

Ron Fournier: The End of Big, Beautiful Friendships

To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes

Charlie Sykes

News Commentary, Politics, News

4.9 • 719 Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Charlie Sykes is joined by veteran journalist Ron Fournier to discuss the unraveling of Donald Trump’s once-close alliances with Elon Musk, Vladimir Putin, and Benjamin Netanyahu. They unpack the transactional nature of power, the scale and brazenness of political corruption, and the challenge of escaping America’s two-party stranglehold. The episode also explores whether a practical, independent political movement—like one emerging in Michigan—might be the key to redefining the nation’s political future.

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1:42.6

I'm Charlie Sykes. Welcome to the To the Contrary podcast, and I am joined today.

1:47.3

This is the first time.

1:48.7

Ron Fornier, legendary reporter, who is now on substack, legendary.

1:54.2

I mean, at least you don't get people saying, you know, I listened to you when I was in grade school, because I get that kind of shit.

2:00.6

I have to tell you. Oh, no, I get that. I had somebody other day telling me how 9-11 was history,

2:06.4

and I cried softly to myself. Oh, man, it gets worse. Well, anyway, Ron has a new substact,

2:14.6

convulsions, politics, culture, communications, and life, which keeps you

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