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Thank you. dot com backslash cyberwire I'm Ron Brash. I'm Ron Brash. I'm a director of cybersecurity insights at Ferv Industrial,

but I'd like to be more preferred as an industrial cybersecurity geek.

Thank you. be more preferred as an industrial cybersecurity geek. Well, if I go back pretty far, right, my family, we were always around, you know, blue-collar jobs, logging, industrial fishing.

And so I kind of, I guess, wanted to be an engineer when I was younger.

Roughly around, I would say, grade 10 when I was about 14 years old, maybe 13, I started looking at computers and doing a lot more with them. I've always grew up with computers. My parents had 286s, 386s, you know, all of that stuff that very few people had. I really liked what you could do with them at the time, right? Like, you know,

not many things in life, you can beat with a sledgehammer until it works properly. So I learned

that programming I could get what I wanted, but I also realized that it's a very frail process and

it's easy to manipulate. Little did I know that one of my best friends at the time who's the son of a gentleman

named Eric Byers, who's one of the grandfathers, the original gangster of industrial cybersecurity,

was one of the four leaders of this whole realm that I'm in now. And he'd heard that I was good with computers.

And one day I was over at their house and he said,

hey, would you like to have a practicum or let's have an interview?

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