All right, joining us now, we're honored to have Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship in Montana.

You can find the website at Liberty Fellowship m.T from Montana.com.

Also, Chuck Baldwin live.com. Thank you for joining us, sir.

David, it's great to be with you. Thank you.

It's been a long time since we've talked because of timing and scheduling and things like that.

You're only able to do interviews in the afternoon. I wasn't able to do that at InfoWars, but we're able to do that here.

So I wanted to get you back on with what is happening now. You've got a book that you're selling at your

website. We'll get into that in a little bit. But last time I interviewed you, we talked about another book

that you and your son had done, Romans 13. And it seems like people did not understand

Romans 13, or I don't think that we would have gone through what we went through in 2020

with locked down churches and all the rest of stuff. I remember when we talked, you know, the

standard line was, you do whatever the

government says unless they start infringing on your religious freedom. And said at the time,

I don't believe that they're going to stand up for their religious freedom if they take that tact.

And of course, we saw when the lockdown happened under Trump that they didn't.

Tell us a little bit about your opinion about what happened with that and the aftermath of it.

Well, I think what we saw was exactly the open demonstration of what you and I had discussed.

Yeah.

That is that the false interpretation of Romans 13, and you alluded to the book that my

attorney's son and I wrote, Romans 13, the true meaning of submission.

And we took all of the verses, and well, not all, but the vast majority of the verses in both

Testaments, old and new, to show that nowhere does God command his people to submit

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